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Greetings!

I love those kinds of games too! Mana, Dragon Quest? Have you ever heard of Dragon Warrior: Shadows of Erdrick?

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Well, if it's a spinoff, manga, or related medium to the mainline DQ/DW games, it can be here. The reason these games had such different titles was that TSR (D&D guys folded into Wizards of the Coast and absorbed by Hasbro) had a "DragonQuest" card game. That trademark expired early 2000s, so SQEX was again able to use Dragon Quest in the US and elsewhere. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 05:52, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi. I’ve given you admin and bureaucrat rights on this community as you requested. You now have the tools you need to clean up, customize and maintain the wiki.

Check out your Admin Dashboard, which can be found by clicking "Admin" on the bottom toolbar -- it has links to all your new tools. Please let me know if you have any questions, and good luck with your new (old) wiki! -- Wendy (talk 06:03, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Manager introduction

Hello, I'm Flanqer, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager for the Dragon Quest Wiki. I introduced myself in Discussions, but wanted to drop you a personal message since you're one of the active admins. I'm here to help your community, and to be a liaison to full-time Fandom Staff. If you ever have any questions related to the wiki, whether it's about editing, styling, infoboxes, policy, etc, please contact me on my talk page.

Flanqer (talk) 22:50, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

I should clarify that I'm not here to do editing for you, nor reorganize categories, etc. My role, as explained in the announcement on Community Central, is primarily one of tech support. I can offer suggestions and advice, answer questions about editing or other wiki-related tasks, help you learn how to use advanced features, and help fix anything that's broken or not working the way you want. Depending on the situation I might edit something for you, but only if I'm able to do it quickly.

I checked out the monster templates; there don't seem to be many differences other than the colors, so they could certainly be consolidated into a single template, and CSS could be used to set the different colors. I'll see if I can get that started for you.

Flanqer (Talk) 02:07, June 5, 2019 (UTC)

Tab debugging

Thanx for doing the tabber on the silhouette. But how can you make the File: and 200px thing above and below the picture respectively not show up, think you can edit the monster info template to not do that? Thanx. The IT 15 (talk) 02:42, August 7, 2019 (UTC)

From what I understand and what I've looked at, it's an issue with the template code. Currently, the monster info template is hardcoded to put in the extra syntax which doesn't work with the tabber modification. The character info template does not have this bug. If you can figure a way to match the two, you're golden. But, if we make just one change to either template, we're going to have to parse through thousands of pages to fix it. You think you and Dawg can handle the load? Swordzmanp236 (talk) 03:54, August 7, 2019 (UTC)
I converted the MonsterInfo template to the modern infobox syntax so that you can use <gallery> for tabbed images. I saved it as a draft version for now. Check out the test page and see what you think. Flanqer 03:14, August 19, 2019 (UTC)
Would you like me to move the draft version over top of the {{MonsterInfo}} template, or do you want to do more testing on it first? Flanqer 16:32, August 19, 2019 (UTC)

Quintet Wiki Affiliation

Hello! This is a response to the message you left on my talk page. There actually is hard evidence connecting Quintet to Dragon Quest, as one of the founders was a programmer for Dragon Quest V during his time at Quintet. Its not much, but it is something.

--Tgr6234 (talk) 00:32, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

Hello again! Sorry to bother you, but I have more than just one piece of data. There were other Quintet employees that worked on Dragon Quest games, and are less obscure. Both Shinji Futami and Yokinobu Chida worked directly with Quintet in the development of several SNES games in the 90s. They also worked with many more Dragon Quest games. Futami was a project coordinator for the NES/Famicom version of Dragon Quest IV in addition to being the executive director of countless other Dragon Quest games. Yokinobu Chida worked on several Quintet games while working for Enix (now Square Enix), and he is credited as a producer in just about every Dragon Quest game. I'll spare you from the spiel on Keiji Honda, Hideki Yamamoto, and Kenjiro Kano. All of these people worked closely with Quintet on three or more titles and worked on many more Dragon Quest games in a crucial role.

--Tgr6234 (talk) 01:44, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

Double pipe calls

That template isn't being used anywhere, the only reference to it is your message on my talk page. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:!!

Flanqer 20:55, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

Templates

I've noticed that Template:Infobox VG no longer works after being converted to the portable format, as seen in Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime. At the same time, I noticed that Template:Infobox Videogame is used in other game articles like Dragon Quest III. I was going to revert back Template:Infobox VG to non-portable standard, but then I noticed that Template:Infobox Videogame already works with that standard. Should I instead use that template to fix the Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime article?

Also, I've been creating articles for Dragon Quest III music albums. I've edited Template:Album a little to make it work with the data from albums, but the article is not complaint with the portable standard. I refrained from converting it because the particular display aesthetic would be lost. Is it okay to make it portable or should I leave it as it is? Jfgslo (talk) 21:23, January 2, 2020 (UTC)

I've converted Template:Album into the portable standard without issues, although it did lost its unique aesthetic. I also fixed the Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime article, but, while doing so, I noticed another problem besides Template:Infobox VG. There are two other templates that were being used in the Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime article, Template:Vgrelease and Template:Vgratings. They are used for region specific data and link to info at Wikipedia. The problem is that both templates were converted to the infobox portable standard despite not being infoboxes. They are something similar to data or design templates, but it seems they were classified as infoboxes since they were meant to be used inside infoboxes. I'm not a fan of that kind of template, but it seems to me that it would be enough to revert them back to their previous form to make them work. I'll leave it up to you because, as I mentioned, I abhor templates that work with those functions and have no desire to use them even if available. Jfgslo (talk) 01:02, January 3, 2020 (UTC)
I see what you’re talking about, but I myself have no knowledge of how to fix it period I’ll see if I can get some other folks to help untangle the mess. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 01:37, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Navigation menu suggestion

I've noticed that the current navigation menu of the Wiki is dedicated to walkthroughs, but it only has two, one for Dragon Quest IX and one for Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker. I suggest that it's changed from "WALKTHROUGHS" to "MEDIA" and than have it link to categories of Anime, Manga, Music, Guides, etc., or alternatively to "OTHER STUFF" and have it link to other content categories. It seems to me no one benefits from having those walkthroughs on the navigation menu. It's kind of hard to navigate from a mobile device without a more appropriate navigation menu. Jfgslo (talk) 22:22, January 13, 2020 (UTC)

A bomb suggestion, chief! I will look into it. You write a list of what the categories are that contain what we want to make, and I will lock it into top nav. Sound good? Swordzmanp236 (talk) 02:02, January 14, 2020 (UTC)
Sure thing!
* #|Other DQ games stuff
** Category:Heroes|Heroes
*** #category6#
** Category:Characters|Characters
*** #category6#
** Category:Monsters|Monsters
*** #category6#
** Category:Items|Items
*** #category6#
** Category:Locations|Locations
*** #category6#
** Category:Vehicles|Vehicles
** Category:Guides|Guides
*** #category6#
* #|Other DQ Media
** Category:Anime|Anime
** Category:Manga|Manga
** Category:Music|Music
** Category:Books|Books
** Category:Videos|Videos
Something like this is what I had in mind. It would probably be advisable to remove altogether the "Community" tab (no one uses it in most Wikis anyway), although I don't know if it's possible (I think that it's possible and only the "Explore" tab can't be removed). "Books" and "Videos" are still a work in progress. Jfgslo (talk) 19:05, January 14, 2020 (UTC)
Because the blog is still sort of active around here, I am going to leave something up in Discussions and try to get a pulse on what readers and our regulars think. Thank you for what you do! Swordzmanp236 (talk) 21:02, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
No problem! I do it with joy.
By the way, I forgot to mention, you could also replace the "TOP CONTENT" tab if you wish to. That's also another tab that, while useful in theory, it's not really that used for most people. The majority come looking for an specific topic in a Wiki, not the most popular, recently changed or top users. It could be changed to leave the first tab for "Main series", and the current "GAMES" tab could be changed to "Spin-off games". A little like how it's done with Worlwide and Japan-only games at Fire Emblem Wiki. I dig more the approach taken by Castlevania Wiki that only has the mandatory "EXPLORE" and "DISCUSS" tabs in favor of tabs related to the subject content. Jfgslo (talk) 19:15, January 16, 2020 (UTC)

"Dragon Quest" page suggestion

I propose that the page Dragon Quest is replaced by the contents of Dragon Quest (franchise) with an additional notice placed above the article in the following way:

For the first game of the series, see Dragon Quest I
For the TV anime series, see Dragon Quest (TV series)

Also, I suggest to change the name of Dragon Quest (game) to Dragon Quest I and that any further clarification on the name is addressed within the opening paragraph such as this:

Dragon Quest I, officially named Dragon Quest and originally localized as Dragon Warrior, is the first title in the Dragon Quest game series....

I'm suggesting this because it makes no sense to have a "Dragon Quest" page that only offers redirects to other pages instead of explaining what is Dragon Quest. Furthermore, it redirects to:

  • Dragon Quest (game) for the first game, but the category of that game is Category:Dragon Quest game, which makes it confusing and lacks consistency when compared to the other game categories (Category:Dragon Quest II, Category:Dragon Quest III and so on);
  • Dragon Quest (game series) for the game series, which in fact redirects to Dragon Quest (franchise), so it's a senseless redirect of a redirect and;
  • Dragon Quest (anime series) for the anime series, which I renamed to Dragon Quest (TV series) because using "anime series" is confusing since there are three anime series, two of Dai no Daiboken and one of Abel Yusha Densetsu, and, when speaking in general of the different anime, it's common to use "anime series" to differentiate it from the "game series".

Finally, I'd like to eventually change Dragon Quest (TV series) to "Abel Yusha Densetsu", "Legend of the Hero Abel" or something similar to differentiate it from other TV series. While Wikipedia uses "Dragon Quest" and it was officially released in English as "Dragon Warrior", since Dragon Quest is such an expansive IP, I'd like it to make it easy to find and differentiate it here in the Wiki for people that don't know much about the whole DQ franchise. Jfgslo (talk) 23:18, January 30, 2020 (UTC).

OK, I get what you’re saying. I was just looking up how our sister series handled this very same thing, and it looks like they’ve dropped most of the parenthetical tags from articles of the same name, leaving them for a “(disambiguation)” page to collect them all. We can just about follow suit. Dragon Quest is never referred to outside of fandom as “Dragon Quest I“ or “Dragon Warrior I“. I’d like to offer a concurrent proposal that we use “the original“ in the text when we write about the first game. It’s a little something like what I did with the film and book you just added. Let’s just say that we are going to need a lot of help to untangle this mess. Go ahead and differentiate the media side as you must. I’ll see what I can do about some of the other stuff. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 23:37, January 30, 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Nice to meet you :) Ellis99 VII & VIII 11:37, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't know much about coding, but there are a few people at Pokémon Wiki (which I'm normally at). Ellis99 VII & VIII 17:56, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
Also, I'm not one of the originals, I adopted the wiki too. King hasn't been on for years (the bureaucrat at the time). Ellis99 VII & VIII 18:01, February 7, 2020 (UTC)


Message

I think what you say has merit. I would think keeping the game series and anime series page names, but create a franchise page to display that there are two pages for both. For instance, the franchise page would say that there two series the games and the anime. Ellis99 VII & VIII 11:13, February 12, 2020 (UTC)

Dragon Quest series

I'd like to suggest that you rename again Dragon Quest (game series) to Dragon Quest series and that other redirects are deleted. I don't know why it was changed, but it broke down what was already working neatly and it now redirects and redirects senselessly. There is no need for Dragon Quest (game series), Dragon Quest (franchise) and similar redirects. Your solution to handle it like the other DQ wiki was an excellent choice. Not even Wikipedia does that kind of naming for the series (it only has Dragon Quest for the whole series and media franchise, and Dragon Quest (video game) for the first game). The redirects are a pain in the neck to navigate and they also get confusing when they are used in navigation templates. So, I'm of the opinion that the previous naming, Dragon Quest series, is the better solution as welll as the removal of redirects to that page. Jfgslo (talk) 18:57, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

The logic behind that move baffles me as well, but now that former honcho Ellis99 seems to want to be back in the mix, we have to deal with him as well. He’s not a bad sort, though I strongly disagree with his interpretation of aesthetics. I told him we needed to come to some kind of consensus as to the order of things. The games came first, that much is certain; but then you’ve got like three or four different animated features coming right after the first game; then the second, then the third (which comes before the first), which then leads up to a real mess. At any rate, I don’t think we need to be splitting all kinds of hairs just to make sure our coverage is complete. What if I left you with some tools needed to help sort out the mess? Seems like the best option given the other members of our team have different foci. Give me a couple seconds to make those changes. Just don’t let them go to your head. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 20:32, February 15, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll try to not let it go to my head. Please let me know if you feel it does. I tend to work in bursts, so I might forget it. Jfgslo (talk) 02:01, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
You haven’t anything to worry about if you’re NOT one of those people who gets like, "Oh, the power! The absolute power!! And it’s all MINE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!" You didn’t strike me as the type. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 02:18, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Navigation menu change requests

In the "THE BIG BOOK OF...", inside "Other media", could you change "Videos" for "Manga" and place it above "Anime"? The reason is that DQ manga precedes DQ anime and there are far more manga than anime.

Also, when I suggested the "Videos" tab, I had in mind a category for articles that were related to videos that were not anime, such as Dragon Quest Ballet, promotional videos from the 1990s and other similar stuff once such articles were created. But, unbeknownst to me, Fandom uses that category for file uploads. That is, besides the dedicated section Special:Videos, Fandom has Category:Videos under Category:Files, which means Category:Videos is not suitable for content pages. Jfgslo (talk) 19:45, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

"Loto reincarnation" Title

Would you like me to remove or rename the "Loto reincarnation" title that's automatically attached to administrators of this Wiki? I found that Kingemocut did it just for laughs on 14 February 2014, no deep meaning behind that. Since Loto is no longer the official title and Roto has been turned back to Erdrick, I thought it's unnecessary to still have that questionable caption. If you want to change it yourself, just edit MediaWiki:User-identity-box-group-sysop. --Jfgslo (talk) 02:38, February 24, 2020 (UTC)

Mmm, got to agree with you there. That badge might be offensive to a small percentage of readers. There can be only one "Erdrick" in an era, so do you have any good replacement? Swordzmanp236 (talk) 03:37, February 24, 2020 (UTC)
The one you put is okay. I was thinking of not using any customized title and delete the current page or restore "Admin". But "Descendant of Erdrick" is good. You could also use "Acolyte of Rubiss", "Luminary", "Brave one" (as in "Brave" from "Yusha", aka "Hero") or "Zenithian".--Jfgslo (talk) 19:27, February 25, 2020 (UTC)

Remake/expansion game pages policy

What's the policy regarding the treatment of remakes? For example, Dragon Quest III has a single article for all its iterations and remakes, from NES to Switch. That, however, doesn't seem to apply to the Monsters series, which has Dragon Warrior Monsters and Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D, which is the same game for different platforms in exactly the same was as DQ3 games are. Same with Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 and Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 Professional, Dragon Warrior Monsters 2 and Dragon Quest Monsters 2: Iru and Luca's Marvelous Mysterious Key, and a few others. This is very evident here because the main page has eleven entries for all main series games and ten ones for the Monsters series games, yet, in reality, three of those are expansions/remakes.

So, what I'd like to know, for consistency sake, is the following: should those remake pages be merged into the original versions like the main series articles and like it's done in Wikipedia, or should each remake have its own individual page besides the original one? If it's the second, it follows, then, that main series games ought to have the same treatment.

From what I've seen in the Street Fighter Wiki and the Final Fantasy Wiki, the custom is to have a single article for different version/ports unless the gameplay has significant changes (e.g. Street Fighter II: The World Warrior and Street Fighter II': Hyper Fighting, but no Street Fighter II': Champion Edition; Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy VII Remake, but no Final Fantasy III and its Nintendo DS remake versions).--Jfgslo (talk) 19:24, February 27, 2020 (UTC)

I can't even begin to tell you how much the things you're suggesting are sorely needed. Since we are also a Square Enix wiki, it would make a lot of sense to follow along with what our closest sister might be doing. Even if I don't have a lot of respect for some of the folks that run the place, I have to respect their work. Their consensus is this: if the remake/remaster is significantly different from the original, then its game page is separate from the main one. If not, we should be able to write a section detailing the differences. Some titles, like Dragon Quest VII, fall into this weird gray area where the story hasn't really changed, but the overall experience has. Maybe it's for technical reasons, or for brevity, or... well, you fill in the blanks. I only have a few key things that I'd like to happen as these changes are being made:
  1. Maintain an overall Commonwealth aesthetic. I have this in some earlier notes, but these games are mostly localized in British English. I've looked briefly at the Doctor Who fan wiki for some inspiration in this regard. They actually have a bot that passes through text and makes it appear British. It would be neat if we could have something like that.
  2. Don't just plop something from another wiki onto this one. Only recently have I begun to suspect some plagiarism at work. It hurts us in the long run with inaccurate information and glaring errors, and it may hurt the people we are trying to source it from.
  3. Make things easier to manage, for that "just in case" scenario. There may come a time when the current administration staff may need to step away (not that it'll happen, but it might). Future editors may not be familiar with what we are doing now, so let's leave them something to build on. Before a former administrator came back into the picture as an editor, this entire space had been left derelict for 18 months. That's when I rolled in and gave control to the folks that were already doing the hard work. That said, we must always remember that the space isn't just for us because we are fans; it's for everybody that is a fan or wants to be a fan. And who knows? The Dragon Quest team may take a different direction as the years roll on. Of course, you and I would hope it's a good one; but future generations may have an entirely different experience and want to write about it in that way. Unless Fandom goes completely under for some reason, I think we're here to stay for quite some time. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 00:13, February 28, 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for taking my time to answer. I just merged Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 Professional into Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3. I don't know why Professional even had its own page when it really had no content to justify a stand-alone article in the first place. I'll be doing the same for all other Monsters remakes and expansions. Let me know what you think
With regards to your other comments, I've worked in a rough draft to implement as policy. Ideally, we should first have a few articles that perfectly represent what's expected from other articles, so that we can base the guidelines on them (for example, an article with prose in Elizabethan English), but I know not which current articles fulfill that, so I did it with what I personally think works best: User:Jfgslo/Draft. Please check it out and let me know your thoughts. It's only a draft, so feel free to edit it as you see fit. Jfgslo (talk) 16:44, February 29, 2020 (UTC).
Nice work, chief. I rather like that you did a sandbox for it. Anyway, I feel like this is a good launch point for policy discussion and that we should seek input from as many of our fellows and a few other key contributors as we can. But one of these guys doesn't talk much, he just "does". I can't speak for him. Though I disagree with making too much of the wiki EME (verily, thou wouldst require much research in order that thy diction doth not sound beetle-headed), I suppose that it would work for an occasional prank or with certain thematic elements like top hat boxes. I know the original game went full-on into this while also using Commonwealth script. I'll see what I can add, but if we want to make it, you put it in "Project:" namespace once it's gelled. Thanks again! Swordzmanp236 (talk) 01:50, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
You can remove the Elizabethan English prose proposal. You should rephrase it to mean the Commonwealth aesthetic / British English that you mentioned prior. I somehow confused your first point to mean "earlier games" instead of "earlier notes" and I thought about the Elizabethan English that was used in the original English release, which is why I added that proposal. I believe it would be far easier to use modern British English than Elizabethan English. Another thing you should put there is date order. DMY order should be encouraged, with perhaps an exception for certain tables/infoboxes to use yyyy-mm-dd in order to not bloat them too much and avoid confusion between dd-mm-yyyy and mm-dd-yyyy. Jfgslo (talk) 05:40, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

DQotS

Good afternoon, I have been playing a lot of Dragon Quest Of The Stars and I was wondering if I could help fill the lack of information for this game. I was wondering then what could I do to help filling this void. From what I see things like categories all ready exist but they send to the real page of the object like[http:// https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/Papillon_mask  here] for the Papillon Mask. Should I do a second section talking about the effects in DQotS or is there a DQotS main wiki that I'm not aware.

Thank you for your time.

I believe the procedure here is the format the article as other weapons/armor articles may be formatted first. The link you provided looks like it needs more information filled in. I would possibly take a look at, say, iron armour for a source and then fill in an article with what you have on that item in DQS.
What we need to do here is establish a framework for Dragon Quest of the Stars that's fairly similar to, say, DFFOO. The mechanics of the two games are very similar, with events, random draws, things of that nature. Making tables, making lists, stuff like that. That's what we need, chief. If you've got stuff ready to go, I would encourage you to create a sandbox on your own talk page and fill it in with whatever you can dump. If we like what we see, we might as well go with it. Thanks for your feedback. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 21:11, March 4, 2020 (UTC)
I did three sandbox just to show what I was thinking to do for the [Main Page],[Event Page],[Equipment Page]
I didn't remove anything that was already in the pages just collapsed them for the Main page and put it in the "More Information" and just did mw-collapsible in the Iron Armour page in the section Dragon Quest IX because the table was going all around and I couldn't find a way to fix it properly. (Still don't know if the best option to show the equipment is like I did with the Iron Armour or the Tantegel one)
What do you think?
Excellent! Procedurally, that's exactly what we're looking for. Before I go forward with the other feedback, I'm going to make one request: don't forget to sign your work on talk pages with four tildes. It helps people keep better track of who did what.
Now, the work itself. The main page doesn't look all that great with the rolling gallery, but I think I get where you're trying to go here. it's more like you want to do a portal page, which I have no doubt can be done; but our software doesn't quite have the materials for that. Until we figure out what to do on the backend, let's leave things as they are.
For the other two bits—which look really nice in their current context—I'm going to send you over to our mad coder of the moment, Jfgslo. Though he's relatively new around here, he seems to have more experience on the programming side of things and with that can bring the vision into focus far better than I can. To that, I wish you both the best of luck. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 18:51, March 5, 2020 (UTC)
I don't really like the main page either but as you said I tried doing a "portal" with what was already in the page.But I don't know how to do it in a more clean.
If you like the other pages is it okay if I do pages like that for each event coming from and if I have the time do the equipments too (it's going to take a while for that one...). What should I ask to Jfgslo? Because I have some ideas about a template for the events like the tables I did or how to properly show a item. Should I just ask him and see what is easy or not to do?NaujAtsituab (talk) 19:50, March 5, 2020 (UTC)
The short answer: tell him what you told me. Like I said, he's just good at turning visionary things into very real things. If you feel that explaining a little bit about your idea is a good thing, you go ahead and do that. Suddenly, I'm beginning to feel that this is running like a very well tuned machine. All the parts are working together quite nicely. My role as an administrator, or one of those roles, is to figure out how all these different gears can mesh together. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 20:34, March 5, 2020 (UTC)

Episodes

I know someone who can pics of the Dragon Quest: Legend of the Hero Abel series. I thought you should know this. Ellis99 VII & VIII 21:46, March 18, 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a problem if you can bring this person on board. I don't even mind if you use Wikipedia. All I'm saying is that we need to source it properly, rather than doing a blind dump. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 23:26, March 18, 2020 (UTC)
I think using others instead of Wikipedia is better. If you look at Pokémon Wiki, they don't use Wikipedia or Bulbapedia (which is banned, that being Bulbapedia). I plan to change the Abel episode names from "DQXXX" to "LHAXXX" as it better describes the series name, instead of the generic "DQ" for Dragon Quest". Ellis99 VII & VIII 08:15, March 19, 2020 (UTC)
I renamed the eps. a few weeks back, but Jfgslo renamed them. Could you talk to them why I did this? I told you back in March about renaming episodes. Ellis99 VII & VIII 17:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

User Rights

I was wondering if I could become an administrator as I need the powers to leave no redirect if I'm going to rename the episode pages. Ellis99 VII & VIII 10:53, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

For that to be the case, I expect certain degrees of consistency, commitment, and vigilance in keeping the wiki up to scratch. So, I'm going to give you the test that Fandom gave me. I need seven consecutive days of at least one edit from you per day. It matters not where these edits are.
Second, i'm looking for one or two folks that can field questions and requests with some discretion. Show me that you're willing to participate in discussions of wiki business, things of that nature.
Third, can you program templates and macro instructions according to modern standards? Have you fully managed at least one other wiki in which you participate? In short, I need to trust that my people are going to do as they say they will.
It all starts with that first week. Good luck. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 15:19, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I'd prefer to be a Content Moderator, which is similar to an admin. I've been an admin at Code Lyoko Wiki and a Content Moderator at Pokémon Wiki. I can't guarantee that I'd edit everyday, but I could make major edits. I plan to create a ton of templates, as you can see on my sandbox. Ellis99 VII & VIII 16:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for granting the rights :) I can finally do what I need to with the episodes. Ellis99 VII & VIII 17:28, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

Infobox styles & other inquiries

I've edited MediaWiki:Wikia.css to give styles to {{Infobox album}}, {{infobox anime}}, {{Infobox book}}, {{Infobox manga}} and {{Infobox song}}, as well as some unsuccessful font strength and style corrections to {{Infobox character}}. Please, let me know how they look and what you think of them all. My preference is a minimalist style, like the default infobox. Nevertheless, I tried to give each infobox a different feeling. Aesthetics are not my forte, though. What I try to convey is that any person seeing an infobox can associate it immediately with the topic at hand. For example, Infobox book tries to replicate the feeling of a book by having the title background in the color of a brown leather book binding and the background of the rest in a yellow similar to that of a used book. But, as I said, aesthetics are not my forte and I have a preference for minimalism, so I don't know if what I'm trying to convey is easily understood.

Also, have you seen Flanqer and NaujAtsituab? From Flanquer I was expecting his feedback regarding the custom CSS for the infoboxes, but I decided to give a go after waiting for too long. I still need his comments for the custom class style for tables. If not, do you know of a wiki that has such a custom class? I can at least try to replicate their code and modify it to our needs.

With respect to NaujAtsituab, he was doing the events of Dragon Quest of the Stars, but he has not made any more edits for more than ten days and some events have already passed. He has excellent ideas and a good vision to implement them. I've tried to update the events, but I can't properly do continuously without it having a detriment in my efforts in other articles. NaujAtsituab is the only one besides me that has been working on keeping the Dragon Quest of the Stars activity up to date, so if he isn't available, there is a need for someone else to help with it.

Finally, how you finished reading the policies draft? Any changes or additions to be made?--Jfgslo (talk) 00:22, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

Alright, let's tackle this piece by piece. I haven't heard from our wiki manager as yet, which is kind of weird, but also understandable if he works from an office that's been locked down. I myself am in one of the dozen or so states in the US under complete lockdown, but this being a Web thing isn't affected by it. It's kind of odd that the kid who wanted to do the dragon quest of the stars events seemingly vanished as well. I think you and I both would do well to reach out to him once more. Again, not really sure how the plague is affecting everybody else. But it shouldn't be a default excuse. That wasn't the plan. If we do get any reports of the virus affecting one of our editors, best to treat it with tact rather than blow it off.
Regarding the policy changes, you'll notice at the bottom of the document that I used a kind of legal notation to determine what we wanted deleted and added. At this point, let's merge with the existing policy document what makes sense. As for the document you drafted, all looks well from here at this present time. If we need to reach out to other editors of other wikis for the other admin business, I haven't a problem.

Thanks for keeping in touch. Stay safe and stay well. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 01:13, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

Policies

Just lo let you know that the formerly drafted policies are up now. Please check them out if you have the time to correct or expand them if needed and to start enforcing them.

--Jfgslo (talk) 02:56, March 29, 2020 (UTC)


Arch chimaera or Archimaera?

You probably have seen the new article for this monster. Even as a non-native english speaker, I know that "Ark kimera" isn't exactly the intended meaning for the monster's japanese name; it's clear that they were going for the "higher position" prefix as seen in "archdemon/archdaemon" and "archangel". Problem is, "archchimera" just looks... aberrant. So I want your opinion in this, what would be a better name from the ones in the title? I've seen both being used, albeit scarcely, for other entertainment media monsters. Frostare (talk) 17:01, April 11, 2020 (UTC)

Until it gets a more fitting name, I suppose Archimaera works for the flow of things. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 18:23, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I've seen you've already changed the article's name. I was gonna wait for TheIT15's vote and take on this, but "Archimaera" seems to have become the popular consensus anyway, so I'll change the names to that.Frostare (talk) 08:22, April 12, 2020 (UTC)

Background change time?

Hello, I was thinking it's probably time we changed the Wiki's background to make it feel fresher and go with something that's more with the times. Dragon Quest of the Stars seems to be what's hot right now. What do you think? Do you have other ideas? Frostare (talk) 18:18, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

Good idea. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 18:46, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I was thinking something among the lines of this. But I really don't know if it needs an admin to do it.
Dragon Quest of the Stars Japanese promotional art.jpg
 Frostare (talk) 20:04, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
Dragon quest of the stars 2.jpg
I think Option 1 looks better as a theme. Thank YOU, chief! I'm a tad busy with Seiken schtuff ATM, so good luck getting the team in on it. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 20:21, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
It seems you need to be an admin to do it, but if you'd like I can do it myself, could you make me an admin so I may? Frostare (talk) 21:57, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

Plagiarism issue

Yesterday I find out that the user https://dragonquest.fandom.com/wiki/User:Agarfinkel has plagiarized my pages of Nadraga and Madesagora from Villains Wiki to here, and I informed Frostare about it. When I asked Agarfinkel to stop, he removed the message I sent to him and th one I sent to Frostare.

Dark Priest Hargon (talk)

My understanding is this: both are part of Fandom and therefore both fall under Fandom rules that govern their content and conduct. If you are the founder or the admin in situ, you have the right to recommend that your content is not copied verbatim to other wikis, as we also recommend not copying from other wikis outside our network (a decision made to curtail incomplete, inaccurate, or misleading data that may yet be available in this space). You must show proof of harm to your wiki caused by the defendant's actions before I can come to a decision myself on banning him entirely. In other words, it has to be more than what I will call butthurt before I or someone else can do something. Even Wiki Managers can't handle person-to-person disputes as you suggest.
I'm sorry if this reply isn't what you want to hear, but it must be said and understood. Thank you for writing, and good luck. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 00:22, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
As a discussion mod, I cannot overlook both sides of this issue. I've edited for the Villains Wiki in the past and they do have a very strict policy that condemns stealing redactions from other wikis. If they (any user, including myself) SUSPECT (oftentimes, without confirming) an article was stolen from another wiki, it gets flagged as such, it gets deleted in a matter of hours, and you need special mod permission to redact it; which means Agarfinkel's actions put the original redactors in peril at their own wiki. I know this remains not our concern, but I am certainly troubled by Agarfinkel's response to just delete the messages without proper dialogue. I will remain vigilant that it does not happen to this post. And I DO gotta ask, have you spoken with him about this issue? Frostare (talk) 08:36, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
I will certainly try to talk to him. Though his contributions pass muster 99.9% of the time, I cannot ignore that two plaintiffs have brought the same allegations against him. He will need to respond promptly, else action will be taken quite swiftly. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 08:55, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the matter into your hands; the fact that he's a veteran user and resorted to this, perplexes me too. I hope all this can be solved without major implications. =) Frostare (talk) 03:49, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
 Yes, I have tried to tell him to stop yesterday, however, he deleted my message.
Dark Priest Hargon (talk)
Hargon, I was asking Swordzmanp236 Frostare (talk) 08:40, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, my bad 
Dark Priest Hargon (talk)

New background image for the wiki

Do you know someone who can create a background image with Dragon Quest of the Stars elements following Fandom's indications? As alluded by Frostare, he and I consider that it's a good moment to change the current background image for the most recent Dragon Quest game released in English, which happens to be DQotS. I've also noticed that the current one is not properly designed for Fandom's standards, which is kind of a waste. I, however, am no graphic designer nor am I particularly skillful with image editors. I could give it a try, but I'm currently unable to do it.--Jfgslo (talk) 05:15, May 9, 2020 (UTC)

Regarding your reply in my wall, I know that part about the implementation. What I was referring to is someone who can create a HD image from scratch. For example, take a look at the House of Cards Wiki and its background image. Notice how the background is empty in the middle while the sides have the image. That's what I want to do for the background image of the Dragon Quest Wiki. The current one was also designed like that with Dragon Quest Heroes pics, it just doesn't show up in the proper way in some screens so it's hard to distinguish. The implementation is simple once the image is created, but the creation part is the one that I'm no expert. At the moment, I'll try a rough approach with a HQ image not optimized for the background, but it should be properly designed preferably. --Jfgslo (talk) 16:01, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
Swordz, could you please upgrade my privileges so I can try the new background designs I try to make? You've known me for a very long time, you know I won't abuse them. Frostare (talk) 18:20, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
It is done. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 18:27, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! It's time to experiment.Frostare (talk) 18:44, May 9, 2020 (UTC)


This is not final, BTW, I'm just trying something. Rest assured I am working on itFrostare (talk) 19:32, May 9, 2020 (UTC)


Just noticed this discussion. Looks like the new background image was scaled up from a smaller image. I have some experience making wiki backgrounds, I can put together a cleaner background if you can point me to some hi-res images you'd like to use. Preferably official art for a recent game, and high resolution (think HD or better). I can combine a few good character portraits onto a different scenic background.

Flanqer 23:02, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup, m'sieur! As was discussed above, it was just a little experiment the gang decided to do. But I also had a similar problem that volunteers fixed on Wiki of Mana, so if you happen to find some good photos and such related to DQB2, DQotS, or even DQXI, by all means, please use those at your discretion. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 23:47, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

All those monster templates

I've been mulling over the problem of your many "DragonQuest(xxx)Monster" templates. To summarize the problems, most of which you're probably aware of:

  1. One template per game = unwieldy, hard to maintain. So the primary goal is to merge them into a single template.
  2. Collapsible sections is not good for SEO or user experience.
  3. Current design wastes a lot of space (which is probably why you made them collapsible in the first place).
  4. Color-coding is cool, but with 3 dozen games it's just not practical to have a different color for each game, and most people will just see it as random colors. Reducing it to one color per series would be an improvement, but might still be unmanageable due to the number of different spin-offs.
Option 1
Redesign it to be a normal-shaped infobox so it's more compact and easier to read, and have them displayed side-by-side (3 or 4 per 'row') instead of stacked vertically. It'd be more compact and cleaner-looking than what you have now but the overall page would still be rather large for most monsters.
Option 2
Same, but move them into subpages per series/spinoff: "Slime/Main series", "Slime/Monsters", "Slime/Builders", etc. That'd result in smaller pages, but not the best idea.
Option 3
I think the best option is to use tables instead of infoboxes, either one table for all games, or one table per series, something like this:
Game HP MP Attack Defense Agility EXP Gold Drops Abilities Spells Location
DQ I 3 0 5 3 2 1 1 [1]
2 [2]
None Normal attack None Tantegel area
Galenholm area
DQ II 6 [1]
5 [3]
0 8 [1]
7 [3]
5 3 [1]
2 [3]
1 2 Medicinal herb Normal attack None Midenhall area
Zahan Wetsern Island
DQ III 8 0 9 [1]
4 [3]
5 4 [1]
9 [3]
6 [1]
4 [3]
8 Medicinal herb Normal attack
Flees
None Aliahan area
Dreamer's Tower
Promontory Passage
Tantegel area
Cantlin area
  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 NES
  2. SNES, GBC and iOS
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 Remakes

Note the use of footnotes to move some info out of the table. Spells could probably be merged into the Abilities column to allow more width per column.

The in-game descriptions could be put in a separate section, like they do on the Monster Hunter wiki. It might also make sense to move the Locations to a separate section, so that the stats tables doesn't use as much vertical space.

The stats table could be done using a template with the same parameters as the current infoboxes, but just one template instead of a bunch of game-specific templates.

What do you think?

Flanqer 01:02, August 5, 2020 (UTC)

I just want to say that I fully agree with Flanqer. In fact, this also applies to other templates, as you may recall with infoboxes. Another example is Template:Languages, which is also quite feebly designed for today's standards. Whatever change Flanqer proposes, I support it. It's quite the task, but it needs to be done by someone who has the technical skills to properly do it.
My only suggestion would be to get in contact with Macdawg and The IT 15, who are by far the foremost experts in monster-related info in this wiki and have worked in multiple articles for a very long time. They likely know better than anyone else what's required in such a template and what isn't.--Jfgslo (talk) 01:46, August 5, 2020 (UTC)
You're not gonna find any argument from me, folks. I actually appreciate you bringing this to my attention. The very fact that these multiple Monster templates exist has been a thorn in our collective side for who knows how long. On that note, some very strange changes are coming to larger Fandom spaces, and let's just say I don't like them one bit; but it's the way of the world, I suppose. A lot of our backend software is being optimized and reconfigured for newer equipment, and Mobile edits are making a comeback as well. What I would've loved to see was the single template that changes color in desktop view based on the game in play. But, with more people moving to low power devices, it makes sense to avoid a lot of fluff. It would be nice if we could get a read on who is using what so that we can adjust for the lowest common denominator and build from there. It certainly sounds like a lot of work, and it is, but I have to tell you that I have every confidence in the team I've assembled to get the job done. Thanks again for all your hard work. i'll definitely keep in touch. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 06:01, August 5, 2020 (UTC)
I put together a set of templates for displaying the monster stats as a table: {{Monster stats start}}, {{Monster stats row}}, and {{Monster stats end}}
And a draft page showing how it would look at Slime/Draft. I moved the drops, locations, in-game descriptions, and other game-specific notes to separate page sections, with very basic formatting. Looks very plain at the moment, but can be restyled with CSS.
It would be difficult to have a bot make all the changes. If someone could do part of the work -- moving the drops / locations / descriptions / notes into separate sections -- then I might be able to have my bot do the rest.
Flanqer 03:30, August 18, 2020 (UTC)
Looks pretty solid so far. I'd run it through the monster gurus here for further feedback. My only gripe at this point is that it doesn't account for 10's or 11's tiering (regular, vicious, malicious). I think we can get this thing plugged in in about a week. But please, take your time.Swordzmanp236 (talk) 03:51, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

Good job on the table. But as head honcho of the wiki, i'd like to say to not put in the table for the monsters yet. It's fine with the current ones we have right now. It looks good, and I have to do a few adjustments of my own to do. So thank you for understanding. The IT 15 (talk) 04:59, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

As long as there's a solid answer to compliance issues that are sure to come up with framework 2.0 rolling out soon, you are welcome to try most anything. You should always open it up to your fellows and get their input before you roll out. The respect you'll get speaks volumes. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 05:34, August 18, 2020 (UTC)
I approve of this, but I think there should be temps. for the relevant sections and the temps. must have a style, rather than a box-standard look, like the proposed temp. for the monster stats. Ellis99 VII & VIII 13:18, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

I've added some custom styles for the monster stats table to make it similar to your infoboxes, so please take another look at Slime/Draft. All done in the wiki CSS, no changes to the templates or the draft page. Colors and other details can be adjusted to whatever you guys decide. And you can use these styles on any table look like this just by adding the "DragonQuest" class to the table.

Flanqer 17:39, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Dr Agon or Dr. Agon?

With the recent work I did in The Heavenly Golden Dragon, I couldn't help but notice that Dr Agon is never referred as Dr. as in Doctor, but merely as Dr as part of the pun on Dragon. I checked the DS game and it's translated also as Dr Agon, not Dr. Agon. This is a minor detail, but a logical one considering that the character is never depicted as a doctor but as a bartender of sorts. I can't recall how he was referred in Dragon Quest: Your Story, but that's not relevant to the canon within games. Do you recall if his official English name is Dr Agon or Dr. Agon? It's a minor detail, but it was very evident that there is no punctuation in the games I checked nor do I recall him being addressed as a doctor.--Jfgslo (talk) 22:34, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

It may very well be a British thing not to use periods on abbreviations. whether it is or isn't, I vaguely remember that part of the game. The character comes across as an eccentric researcher stuck in the underwater cave. Learned men and women often go for doctorate degrees, so the play makes sense. Given that, I would probably go without the period in whatever main article you make and then draft a redirect with it. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 23:39, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
Well, that's the thing. In the Japanese version his name is Busan, nothing to do with any kind of medic or PhD. In fact, if I recall correctly, in Dragon Quest: Your Story he is working as a pub owner, giving a reminiscence of his appearance in DQ5. It is precisely because his story is recreated in Dragon Quest of the Stars that I noticed that he was never referred as Dr. and that Dr appears to be a sort of weird name a la Mxyzptlk to work with Agon and form the pun for "Dragon". He is not some kind of researcher but more like a goof off that got hooked on a mine cart for 20 years by mistake, playing again on the wise fool trope that the gadabout does. And it's noticeable the lack of punctuation because, weirdly enough, DQotS does take proper care of punctuation, as shown in enemy names with umlaut and events like Heavenly Bride (Pt. 1). The reason why I'm fixated on this is because the other DQ wiki weirdly uses Dr. Agon, so I thought this was properly verified in the past, but it seems to me that it is not and everyone just assumed that it was written with the period. In any case, I've created the redirect Dr Agon and will remove Dr. Agon from the text in the article indicated.--Jfgslo (talk) 04:16, September 21, 2020 (UTC)

Anime episode numbering convention reply

Just to let you know that I've replied to your inquiry on my talk page. --Jfgslo (talk) 22:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Main page redesign

I'd like to suggest a redesign of the wiki's main page. You can see my draft version at Dragon Quest Wiki/Draft. (Unfortunately the wiki server doesn't recognize it as a main page, so it has the normal article sidebar with recent activity / popular pages; just imagine that replaced with the main page's right column.)

  • Shortened the wiki intro, and added a description of the series.
  • Removed the logo and slideshow to bring the content links closer to the top.
  • Eliminated the tabs for easier browsing. (Most visitors ignore tabs.)
  • Add text under the game logos for better SEO.
  • Eliminated the individual game links for spin-offs; instead just one link to each spin-off series to reduce page bloat.
  • Added links for general topics (heroes, characters, monsters, etc).

I also made a couple of small changes to the right column on the real main page:

  • Discussions activity feed is currently not supported on UCP, so I commented it out for now.
  • Affiliate wikis are grouped under one heading; it just looks better with 1 heading instead of 3.

Let me know what you and the other admins think.

Flanqer 22:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

Looking good, chief. I just fixed a couple of spelling "mistakes". Outwardly, we'd like to make sure that we maintain a British aesthetic since games are localized there before they head over to the States. What I'd love to have are some actual Britons who can comb the content for problematic spelling and idiom usage, but that may well be a pipe dream. Thanks! Swordzmanp236 (talk) 23:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Policy creation

Just to let you know that I've read your message. I'll get to work on it along with the other administrators. I think what you've just laid out what should basically be the basis of the policy. That is, everything is mostly permitted and our focus is only on those that are repeat offenders of egregious conduct in less than a month, for example, war-editing without consultation with an administrator, or a plain vandals (which should immediately warrant a one year ban).

By the way, we technically do have said conduct policy as well as others. It is in fact very loose because we want to welcome both hardcore fans and newbies to the fandom of Dragon Quest and we strive to make it wider. It's here Dragon Quest Wiki:Conduct policy. I'm going to request other administrators to put their suggestions and improvements in the talk page and we'll try to get a consensus before putting it in the policy page or a draft. Jfgslo (talk) 17:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the policy, anything else you need? I believe the other admins aren't particularly interested in using their free time in writing proposals or suggestions when they can instead add content to the wiki, so I suggest you merely finish the draft and propose it to the other admins for suggestions/corrections/improvements and then, after a week, simply publish it. It can always be improved later on, but, to be honest, this wiki has worked for years without needing one and it hasn't had any issue. If anything, Wikia's policy change years ago is what caused the split from the original staff & contributors, so I don't see the need to dwell on the conduct policy too much. --Jfgslo (talk) 22:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, I'd have loved to see more than the two of us hammering things out, but in my experience people are a bit apprehensive when it comes to doing things they don't like/care to do, like making rules. Even though we have a loose (the better word here is "implied") code of conduct, that gaming liaison wants something explicit. One can draw parallels to actual real-world history. For 175 years of American history, it was pretty much a given that a President would serve two terms and bow out gracefully. Then came FDR and his 4 terms. The texts I've read never dealt with who might have been against this feat, but it broke tradition nonetheless. So the powers of Truman's time decided that the two-term tradition had to be codified so as to modulate the balance of power over time.
In a similar fashion, Fandom wants us to codify this thing that most of us know implicitly. Granted, most readers probably will not read it when they walk in the door, but if we have to have it, we will have it, Swordzmanp236 (talk) 07:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, the crux of the matter is that we define for what reasons we ban people and punishments, and that, to be honest, seems like a waste of time given that this seems to be mainly implemented with the purpose of discouraging the creation of multiple wikis with the same topic when users are banned from a wiki.
According to the blog post, the rules must be clearly defined, not be overly restrictive, be in accordance with Fandom's TOS and clearly visible for all users. I don't think we've ever had admins abusing abusing their powers here or banned users unfairly and I haven't encountered that either in the other wikis that I've collaborated in the past, so this kind of ambition to regulate admin behavior is alien to me, specially when the same blog says that being a fair admin means you don't need to change anything, which contradicts all this effort to re-create rules that already exist.
In any case, you're right, I doubt any of the other admins would want to use their time creating rules, so let's see what we can do to finalize them and submit them to the other admins for their consideration before April. Do you need help with anything?--Jfgslo (talk) 19:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
I've contacted all other admins to ask them to check Dragon Quest Wiki:Conduct policy/Draft and edit it or let us know if something should be improved. I don't think I have anything else to add so, once you think it's ready and if no other admin adds anything, feel free to move the draft to the policy page by 31 March. --Jfgslo (talk) 17:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Reversion

Huh? Did you reverted my edit? Whatever was wrong with it and why not the others I made if there was something wrong? If it wasn't you, what just happened?Frostare (talk) 07:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Which page? I'm not seeing any rollbacks in the overall log. Might be some more info in the target page logs, so I will certainly look and admit the "oops" if it was I who did it. I do most of my editing on an iPad, and apparently I can fat-finger things quite easily on it. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 07:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
I meant on the Curse of the Great Darkness article. I see, I had a feeling something was off. Frostare (talk) 08:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

FandomDesktop readiness

Hello, I wanted to check in and see if you thought this wiki was ready to be transitioned to FandomDesktop. If so, you can click the "Mark as Ready" button on Special:AdminDashboard.

If not, please let me know what you think it needs to get there. Thanks! --Pcj (talk) 12:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Reply and Spelling

I've replied to Jg about the pages, which you may want to look at. Also, I think using American English would be better, as AmEng. is widely used across websites and wikis. Ellis99 VII & VIII 10:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

What you say is mostly true, however, I think we would prefer to stick to seeing things as they appear in the works themselves. And that happens to be British English. Of course, with the games forthcoming, we don't have any hints as to whether the same team is going to be handling them as in previous games. So, until that changes, British English will always be recommended. I know it to be possible in Chrome to check both concurrently. iOS has the option to select one OR the other when you add dictionaries.
With that out of the way, please consider looking at our prior style guides and revising them as you would like them to be applied. Consider using language that is universally accepted. We have a few users for whom English is not their first/native language, so American slang is not going to go over as well. Your feedback is very much appreciated, and I will see to it that we formalize an updated MoS. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 01:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I understand and will do :) Ellis99 VII & VIII 11:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Parametre Changes to All Temp.

I propose that we change the names of all the parametres in the temps. to shorter and easier-to-remember ones. I have an idea what they shall be, you you like me to show you in my sandbox, once I've created them? Ellis99 VII & VIII 11:16, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

By all means, please do. I look forward to seeing that proposal. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 17:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
I can assure you that they will be easy to understand an take less time to create temps. on pages :) Ellis99 VII & VIII 09:46, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Agarfinkel is stealing other people's articles, again

Hello, Swordzmanp236! Hope you've been doing amazing! A friend reported to me on Twitter that their Wiki articles have been being stolen by none other than Agarfinkel, again. If you remember we had already received complaints from another user about this same matter. I feel I should report this to you so you can take proper measures. These were the changes I'm talking about, I already deleted them in this wiki but you can check in the History that Agarfinkel was the one to add them: https://dragon-quest.org/w/index.php?title=Cyril&diff=154744&oldid=146879 Frostare (talk) 19:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

No problem! And yeah, maybe I overdid it, sorry. The OP is my friend and they were very concerned about this, they actually messaged me the exact changes, but It seemed like I misread there being more than they actually were. Anyway, thank you for taking action! Frostare (talk) 22:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there another way I can add information in a way that does not count as plagiarizing, especially for pages that have to do with a game that is no longer available in America? And do not tell in a way that sounds like you're pissed at me. I am currently under a lot of stress concerning my upcoming job. Agarfinkel (talk) 2:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

First thing you might want to do is avoid drawing from another wiki. Basically, if you were to write a research project, most folks won't accept Wikipedia, even though it might be more reliable than most. Simply speaking, any user can change anything anywhere, and not always in a good way.
If you know a source on the ground in Japan, maybe they can direct you to a reputable fan site that has what you want to add. Lots of games with more traction also have considerable fan site bases. If your source is a website, we need reference tags against everything you put down. In short, if there's something like a Tonberry Troupe (Dissidia FF OO fansite) for DQotS, I'd prefer you use that over an incomplete wiki.
It's really going to be helpful if you can find the official blog or website and have knowledge of the Japanese language. Android apps are essentially region-free, so if you can either read the script as it is presented and translate on the fly or find a semi-official dump, that works as well. What we want you to do is use your own words for the information you find.
There are a lot of people out there in the same boat as you, nervous about jobs, life events, or whatever. But that should never be an excuse not to do the right thing. I'm not angry in the least, but I can't overlook the fact that there are now two strikes on your record according to current policy. That first strike occurred about two years ago. One more, and I have no choice but to do what needs doing. I don't like it, and nor should you. But I expect better from a longtime veteran such as yourself. And I don't want this to become a fight between you and another longtime editor who just happens to be a member of my team. With that said, I wish you the best of luck in all of your endeavors. But please, use your common sense. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 04:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, Swordzmanp236. I wanted to throw in my two cents, as well. This has been happening for quite a few years now where our content from Dragon-Quest.org is regularly plagiarized and reposted on Wikia. At this point, I expect it. It's especially obvious when it comes to things like character descriptions, many of which are straight up copy-pasted onto here usually within days. I should know because I wrote many of them myself. I guess I should be flattered. Mizuno Mahou (talk) 06:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for jumping in, chief. What I'm gonna have you do is work with some of our other administrators to make sure you guys get credit for your work. That's the biggest issue I have. If you yourself want to contribute something we don't have, you're more than welcome to it. The only thing I'm going to ask of you is that you keep it British (spelling, grammar, etc.). Fandom itself is a much larger network with a broader reach, and every good bit of information works toward a hidden thing called search engine optimization. What we really don't want to do is to ignore the fact that you exist. Ideally, maybe we can set the stage for a merger of the two; but we'd still like the information to be as accurate as we possibly can get it. That being said, we still don't want to be breaking any rules spoken or unspoken to reach our goal.
I think what we could use right now is dead-on accurate information regarding the seasons of DQotS that are still ongoing in Japan. The global version had to close due to Covid and the way it was affecting the staff; but I also think it was cover for that the game never caught on here. In any event, if there's anything else you think you can add, start with a pencil & get writing.
Once again, thank you for chiming in. I hope that we will be able to work with you in the future. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 07:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Maintenance

Oh no, it's not for me to do something, it's for Pcj to do :) If you look at a Character Pokémon page on Pokémon Wiki, like "Leon's Aegislash (TW)", you'll see that the tabs are central. Ellis99 VII & VIII 08:45, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Well Ursuul on Pokemon Wiki has implement things for me on a few wiki, with the permission of admins of course, as I have no idea about ".css". Ellis99 VII & VIII 10:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
I know what ".css" is, I'm saying I'm no very au fait with it. I'm sure he won't mind doing it. By the way, Ursuul is the manager at Pokémon Wiki and Dragon Ball Wiki. Ellis99 VII & VIII 10:54, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Page Titles

I know this may seem like rehashing over old ground, but I think there is a way of chapter and episode pages having the number coding system, with the title of said ep./chap. and having it displayed as if it wasn't the num. coding system existed. Ellis99 VII & VIII 16:37, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Seems like it was a year ago that we decided to leave the current numbering system as it is. In the case you referred to, I feel that it's wrong for us to establish a standard ourselves for something that doesn't exactly have one itself. And unfortunately, given the way the series has historically uses very punny titles, it's possible that identical puns may be more than once, which would create for us a bit of a headache as we have to create disambiguation landings for each. It's a messy process, and one I'd rather not go through. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 05:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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